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What's the community opinion ?
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:24 pm
by evilo
Just guessing,
what is the main opinion on the released tool max evo from Action Replay , which allows to boot software without requiring a modchip ?
that's all....
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:42 pm
by pixel
What's the difference between that, and the independance exploit ?
They both enable you to run unauthorized^Wcustom PS2 code on your PS2. The first one is something you have to buy, the second one can be hard to install depending on the situation. Apart of that...
*shrugs*
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:36 pm
by evilo
but is it considered as something legal or tolerated ?
I mean, even being a commercial produc like HD loader, that one was not legal, and sony push to stop selling it .
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:43 pm
by pixel
Does the AR Max Evo allows to circumvent the copy protection, and run so-called "backups" or imports ? I don't think so... All of this is quite legal third party products I'd say.
Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:53 pm
by Darren
I was going to release a small elf loader to replace sjeeps pgen autoexec.elf but decided otherwise after it was confirmed that they used UMCDR. I didn't want to step on any feet. :oops:
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:50 am
by J.F.
From the DMCA:
3 (f) "Reverse Engineering--"
* want to encourage the production of new work
* (1) "Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been available to the person engaging in the circumvention,l to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title"
* Sega games vs. Accolade software (1992) : Accolade reverse engineered Sega code so its games would work on Sega players
* Atari Games vs. Nintendo (1992): making copies of a program for reverse engineering was not copyright infringement; “fair research use”
* Sony vs. Connectix (2000): Connectix reverse-engineered Sony’s (BIOS) code so Sony’s Playstation games would run on Connectix’s emulator on PCs (no Sony code)
In other words, if you wish to make your own program run on the device and no other solution is available, you are legally allowed to reverse engineer the device in question to determine how to make your program run on the device. Making something like a boot disc or the memcard exploit falls in this category - they used reverse engineering to figure a way to allow programs to be run on the PS2. This does not cover using something to boot commercial discs, it is for your own software only.
So a boot disc is legal to make, but illegal to use to boot commercial software. Using it to boot homebrew software is allowed as per the clause above.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:50 am
by ooPo
The DMCA doesn't apply to most people here, so worry not! :)
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:54 am
by J.F.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get across. It's a complex issue, but ps2dev seems really safe, especially given the attitude here towards anything smacking of warez... and I hope it stays that way. That means no trouble here like at other places.
Edit: it struck me - you mean most folks here aren't in the US. Yep, that's has a bearing on it too. :)